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Чтобы ИТ-индустрия окончательно встала раком, Гуглу сейчас нужно сделать ход конем - разработать ТРЕТИЙ вариант кроссплатформенного языка-платформы с собственной виртуальной машиной, JIT, итд, итп, в дополнение к жабе и дотнету. И сманить девелоперов на него какими-нибудь заманухами страшными.
Тем более что дотнет семимильными шагами двигается в ту же over-engineered сраку, что и жаба, а альтернативы реальной тому и другому и нету.

Date: 2010-08-13 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkrnl.livejournal.com
даеш ecmascript повсюду!

Date: 2010-08-13 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theiced.livejournal.com
ребе, пока жабы и прочие гопнеты движутся в жёппу, лисп как бэ всегда готов к использованию.

Date: 2010-08-13 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paranoekk.livejournal.com
лиспы и хаскели еще та жабба :)

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Date: 2010-08-13 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enternet.livejournal.com
Ребе, а что вас прёт от лиспа? Я немного писал на соммонлиспе - впечатления так себе. Ассемблер ассемблером. И с со сторонними либами чехарда. А я очень не люблю велосипедить.

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Date: 2010-08-13 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brainsucker.livejournal.com
и все-таки, где over?

Date: 2010-08-13 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denisioru.livejournal.com
Ход конем... Если учесть, что .NET потратила 8 лет чтобы прийти к своему нынешнему состоянию (с 2002 года), и еще немалые вливания бабла в популяризацию сего, плюс смежные сервисы с поддержкой .NET - SQL, IIS, Exchange, SCOM, Powershell - не думаю, что у гугла в ближайшие годы получиться сделать чтолибо подобное по уровню сервиса, интереса и масштаба.

Date: 2010-08-13 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theiced.livejournal.com
гопнет уверенно дошёл от состояния "можно писать мелкие поделки" до состояния "хуй проссыш что с этими завалами из индусского гогна делать". нахуй, нахуй.

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Date: 2010-08-13 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dmzlj.livejournal.com
им в андроиде это все не надо, это ж встроенное применение. бери или придумывай любой язык, цепляй к рантайму --- и готово. хотя бы тот же go, если на большее фантазии у них не хватает.

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Date: 2010-08-13 05:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] perplexed-bear.livejournal.com
Все на лисп, схему, камлы, эрланг... И мы будем щасливы - нужда в гуру резко возрастёт.

Date: 2010-08-13 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paranoekk.livejournal.com
И кому писать прикладые программы для бизнеса?

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Date: 2010-08-13 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paranoekk.livejournal.com
theiced просто ненавидит людей :)

Date: 2010-08-13 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theiced.livejournal.com
враки. я ненавижу тупость и ограниченность. ну не моя проблема что 99% населения шарика тупы и ограниченны.

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Date: 2010-08-13 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theiced.livejournal.com
http://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/tour-de-babel

не устану постить эту ссылку. в частности, там рассказывается про факап переписывания большой системы с емакслиспа (!!!11) на жабу. и так всегда и везде.

вот из последних примеров. товарищу в жабоаппе были нужны красявенькие отчётики в пыдыыф. после месяцев (!) ёбли с жабскими отчёт фрэймворками там ша в итоге отчётики генерятся из .tex.erb (лэйтех шаблон с embedded ruby, лисп товарищ ещё не осилил).

Date: 2010-08-13 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metaclass.livejournal.com
В такой постановке вопрос можно и собственный генератор отчетов написать.
А то что все готовое что в жабе, что в дотнете использовать невозможно - это факт. Такое ощущение, что авторы либ решали какую-то частную задачу, а потом обвешивали ее рюшечками и бантиками, вместо обобщения решения.

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Date: 2010-08-13 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raydac.livejournal.com
можно проще.. надо гуглю просто купить оракл с потрохами

Date: 2010-08-13 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henu3detb.livejournal.com
Ну-ну, оракл им крем для лица подарит.

Date: 2010-08-13 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandr0.livejournal.com
Гугль уже придумал себе еще один язык, но к счастью, еще не продвигал: http://golang.org/
Было бы смешно, если бы начали продвигать и смогли бы популяризовать.

Date: 2010-08-13 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freiksenet.livejournal.com
Он же таки позиционируется как системный язык, а не язык приложений.

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Date: 2010-08-13 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] b00ter.livejournal.com
На Mono перейдут. Мигель давно покушается на мобильники, правда, в первую очередь на Эпловские. :)

Date: 2010-08-13 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dmzlj.livejournal.com
есть такий анекдот, про медведя и охотника. так вот там медведь в конце говорит: слушай, я не пойму --- ты охотник или пидор? примерно тоже самое любителям моно когда-нибудь может сказать майкрософт.

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Date: 2010-08-13 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dmzlj.livejournal.com
Дык. Вообще непонятно, зачем так цепляться за языки, огребая такие вот проблемы. К существующему рантайму прицепить какой-нибудь язык --- дел на пару недель. Ну для большой корпорации --- за пару месяцев управятся.

Date: 2010-08-13 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jdevelop.livejournal.com
scala же, и хаскил

Встать раком и пойти боком

Date: 2010-08-13 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plumqqz.livejournal.com
А, собственно, почему раком? Все грабли жаббой и сидиезом уже обтоптаны: вполне может получиться огого что.

Правда, не вполне понятно, зачем.
From: [identity profile] metaclass.livejournal.com
Раком и зачем - чтобы еще больше индустрию запутать. Т.е. уже сейчас невозможно выделить, какая технология достаточно приличная чтобы в ее изучение и использование вкладывать ресурсы, а так будет вообще, 100500 платформ, на каждую есть небольшое количество гиков, с ней знакомых, бизнес в шоке, потому что на тендера приходят конченые психи кто с хаскелем, кто с лиспом, кто с самодельными языками, против них индусы с одной из десятка версий жаб и сотен версий жабьих фреймворков, короче Вавилонское столпотворение:)

Date: 2010-08-13 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] alll
и назвать его Cancer...

Date: 2010-08-13 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] alll
Э... гхм.. а дотнет точно кроссплатформенный?

Date: 2010-08-14 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] norguhtar.livejournal.com
Через mono, Так что там может не работать чуть более чем половина :)

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Date: 2010-08-13 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zelanton.livejournal.com
и кстати, ояебу если оно будет третьим

Date: 2010-08-14 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_slw/
а что, с Си что-то произошло?

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